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'Say please' at U. S. border nets pepper spray
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Archangel
2009-03-04 19:02:16 UTC
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'Say please' at U. S. border nets pepper spray
Canadian traveller says demand for politeness met with use of force
Matthew Coutts, National Post Published: Wednesday, March 04, 2009
Dan Janisse/Canwest News Service
A Canadian who demanded courtesy from a U.S. border security guard says
he was pepper sprayed and held in custody for three hours for asking the
disrespectful officer to "say please" when ordering him to turn his car
off during a search.
"I refused to turn off the car until he said please. He didn't. And he
has the gun, I guess, so he sprayed me," said Desiderio Fortunato, a
Coquitlam, B.C., resident who frequently crosses the border to visit his
second home in the state of Washington. "Is that illegal in the United
States, asking an officer to be polite?"
The incident occurred on Monday at the Aldergrove border crossing, east
of Vancouver, shortly after 12 p.m. Mr. Fortunato, a dance studio
director, was travelling to his home in Blaine, Wash., to retrieve a
wallet his wife had left during their most recent visit.
He said he was questioned by a border officer who demanded he turn off
his car and, when asked to make the request more politely, threatened to
spray him with his pepper gun if he did not comply.
"I just felt I should stand my ground about it. I should not be treated
like that. No matter what kind of position you are in, if you want
respect you have to show respect," he said yesterday. "I asked him three
times and when I didn't turn the car off, because he didn't say please,
he pepper sprayed me.... It was terrible. For half an hour or so I
couldn't see anything."
Mr. Fortunato said after he was sprayed he was forcefully taken into
custody by several officers. He was held for three hours before he was
released without being allowed entry into the United States. Mr.
Fortunato says he was dismissed with a warning to be more cooperative in
the future.
A spokesperson for U.S. Customs and Border Protection said officers are
trained on how to handle confrontation, and refusal to comply with a
direct order is justification to use capsicum spray, also known as
pepper spray, or other "soft techniques" such as physical holds.
"The combination of training and experience is what our officers use to
communicate with passenger on a day-today basis. Our officers will give
direct orders or commands to passengers, especially in situations where
there may be a safety concern. It is the obligation of the passenger to
be compliant with those," said spokesperson Mike Milne.
He added that officers order border passengers to turn of their vehicles
when they want to take somebody from a car and, in such cases, further
questioning would be conducted inside the building.
While he could not comment on the specific case, Mr. Milne said the use
of force at a border crossing is very rare, very serious and subject to
immediate review.
By his own admission, Mr. Fortunato is a stickler for courtesy and
respect. The Portuguese native, who has lived in B.C. for 25 years and
has owned his second home in Washington for three, pulled a similar
stunt at the same border crossing about one year ago. In that case, he
was ordered to wait hours to be questioned before being allowed to cross.
Once, he said, he asked a Canadian border agent to be more polite when
requesting documents, to which the agent responded with a sheepish "please."

Change you can count on!!!

Archangel
Jeff George
2009-03-04 20:20:22 UTC
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Post by Archangel
'Say please' at U. S. border nets pepper spray
Canadian traveller says demand for politeness met with use of force
Matthew Coutts, National Post Published: Wednesday, March 04, 2009
Dan Janisse/Canwest News Service
A Canadian who demanded courtesy from a U.S. border security guard
says he was pepper sprayed and held in custody for three hours for
asking the disrespectful officer to "say please" when ordering him to
turn his car off during a search.
Give some losers a uniform and they turn into fucking Barney Fife.
--
JG, former Quarterback and Lt. General SWIFT (Socialist Workers
Infiltrating Federal Targets)
Patriot Games
2009-03-04 23:24:58 UTC
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Post by Archangel
'Say please' at U. S. border nets pepper spray
Canadian traveller says demand for politeness met with use of force
Matthew Coutts, National Post Published: Wednesday, March 04, 2009
Dan Janisse/Canwest News Service
A Canadian who demanded courtesy from a U.S. border security guard says
he was pepper sprayed and held in custody for three hours for asking the
disrespectful officer to "say please" when ordering him to turn his car
off during a search.
BWahahahahahahhahahaha!!!!
Post by Archangel
"I refused to turn off the car until he said please. He didn't. And he
has the gun, I guess, so he sprayed me,"
Shoulda shot your dumbass!
Post by Archangel
"Is that illegal in the United States, asking an officer to be polite?"
Absolutely anything and everything you do that DOES NOT IMMEDIATELY
OBEY a cop is Resisting and THAT means you get squirted!

Shoulda put a Tazer up to the Canadian Toad's ear and Zapped 'em!
Scotius
2009-03-11 05:56:53 UTC
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Post by Archangel
'Say please' at U. S. border nets pepper spray
Canadian traveller says demand for politeness met with use of force
Matthew Coutts, National Post Published: Wednesday, March 04, 2009
Dan Janisse/Canwest News Service
A Canadian who demanded courtesy from a U.S. border security guard says
he was pepper sprayed and held in custody for three hours for asking the
disrespectful officer to "say please" when ordering him to turn his car
off during a search.
"I refused to turn off the car until he said please. He didn't. And he
has the gun, I guess, so he sprayed me," said Desiderio Fortunato, a
Coquitlam, B.C., resident who frequently crosses the border to visit his
second home in the state of Washington. "Is that illegal in the United
States, asking an officer to be polite?"
The incident occurred on Monday at the Aldergrove border crossing, east
of Vancouver, shortly after 12 p.m. Mr. Fortunato, a dance studio
director, was travelling to his home in Blaine, Wash., to retrieve a
wallet his wife had left during their most recent visit.
He said he was questioned by a border officer who demanded he turn off
his car and, when asked to make the request more politely, threatened to
spray him with his pepper gun if he did not comply.
"I just felt I should stand my ground about it. I should not be treated
like that. No matter what kind of position you are in, if you want
respect you have to show respect," he said yesterday. "I asked him three
times and when I didn't turn the car off, because he didn't say please,
he pepper sprayed me.... It was terrible. For half an hour or so I
couldn't see anything."
He was given a lawful order by a policeman (or border guard),
and three times failed to comply, and now he's griping?
Post by Archangel
Mr. Fortunato said after he was sprayed he was forcefully taken into
custody by several officers. He was held for three hours before he was
released without being allowed entry into the United States. Mr.
Fortunato says he was dismissed with a warning to be more cooperative in
the future.
A spokesperson for U.S. Customs and Border Protection said officers are
trained on how to handle confrontation, and refusal to comply with a
direct order is justification to use capsicum spray, also known as
pepper spray, or other "soft techniques" such as physical holds.
"The combination of training and experience is what our officers use to
communicate with passenger on a day-today basis. Our officers will give
direct orders or commands to passengers, especially in situations where
there may be a safety concern. It is the obligation of the passenger to
be compliant with those," said spokesperson Mike Milne.
He added that officers order border passengers to turn of their vehicles
when they want to take somebody from a car and, in such cases, further
questioning would be conducted inside the building.
While he could not comment on the specific case, Mr. Milne said the use
of force at a border crossing is very rare, very serious and subject to
immediate review.
By his own admission, Mr. Fortunato is a stickler for courtesy and
respect. The Portuguese native, who has lived in B.C. for 25 years and
has owned his second home in Washington for three, pulled a similar
stunt at the same border crossing about one year ago. In that case, he
was ordered to wait hours to be questioned before being allowed to cross.
Once, he said, he asked a Canadian border agent to be more polite when
requesting documents, to which the agent responded with a sheepish "please."
Change you can count on!!!
Archangel
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