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Canada judge: Man not responsible for beheading
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Archangel
2009-03-05 18:45:24 UTC
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Canada judge: Man not responsible for beheading
Mar 5 01:32 PM US/Eastern
WINNIPEG, Manitoba (AP) - A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man
accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger
is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.

The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a
mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim
McLean dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get
away with murder.

"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred," said Carol
deDelley, McLean's mother. "There was nobody else on that bus holding a
knife, slicing up my child."

The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing
McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while
horrified passengers fled.

Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric"
but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."

"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He
believed he was acting in self-defense," Scurfield said.

Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible
because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him
to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.

He will be institutionalized without a criminal record and will be
reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he
is fit for release into the community.

DeDelley said a yearly hearing is ridiculous, and that Li should be
locked up for the rest of his life.

Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses,
both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.

That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at
the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.

Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at
night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.

An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense
detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean
dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself
locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.

Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.

Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic
bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.

A psychiatrist called by the prosecution Wednesday testified that Li cut
up McLean's body because he believed that he would come back to life and
take revenge.

McLean's family is vowing to turn their attention to fighting the law
that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be
released into the community once they are deemed well, without serving a
minimum sentence in jail.

DeDelley said her son didn't die in vain. His death highlights concerns
about the justice system, she said.

"Now people are aware that there is a problem," she said.

Change you can count on!!!

Archangel
Jeff George
2009-03-05 20:01:51 UTC
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Post by Archangel
WINNIPEG, Manitoba (AP) - A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man
accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus
passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.
Why would you need to behead a person if you were just going to eat him?
And why did those other numbnuts do nothing but watch?
--
JG, former Quarterback and Lt. General SWIFT (Socialist Workers
Infiltrating Federal Targets)
Scotius
2009-03-09 04:31:08 UTC
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Post by Archangel
Canada judge: Man not responsible for beheading
Mar 5 01:32 PM US/Eastern
WINNIPEG, Manitoba (AP) - A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man
accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger
is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.
The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a
mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim
McLean dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get
away with murder.
"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred," said Carol
deDelley, McLean's mother. "There was nobody else on that bus holding a
knife, slicing up my child."
The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing
McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while
horrified passengers fled.
Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric"
but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."
"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He
believed he was acting in self-defense," Scurfield said.
Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible
because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him
to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.
I don't believe that. He cut the guy's head off (according to
a report I read in our city daily where I live), and "taunted" the
passengers who had fled from the bus by walking up to the front of
the bus while they were holding the door shut and showing it to them.
That strikes me as something a guy who believed he was killing someone
"evil" would not do.
Would he have done that, or would he have thought "Well, thank
goodness I did that. Now the world is safe" and gone up the front,
asked to be let off, and wondered why the people keeping him in didn't
understand what a "favor" he had done them?
His mental illness defense is therefore baloney. Evil baloney
at that.
Post by Archangel
He will be institutionalized without a criminal record and will be
reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he
is fit for release into the community.
I wonder what he'd do if he was about to walk out a free man
and found out that an awful lot of people consider him "evil".
Post by Archangel
DeDelley said a yearly hearing is ridiculous, and that Li should be
locked up for the rest of his life.
He should, and he should be in jail. Failing that, at least
being locked up in the sing-sing of the mind forever will keep him off
the street (and off the fucking bus).
Post by Archangel
Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses,
both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.
That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at
the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.
Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at
night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.
An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense
detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean
dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself
locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.
Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.
Why? If he thought he had killed someone "evil", why apologize
and why want to die? Hadn't he done Canada a great big favor?
Post by Archangel
Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic
bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.
Gotta take some souvenirs of evil I guess, or you don't keep
it at bay.
Post by Archangel
A psychiatrist called by the prosecution Wednesday testified that Li cut
up McLean's body because he believed that he would come back to life and
take revenge.
McLean's family is vowing to turn their attention to fighting the law
that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be
released into the community once they are deemed well, without serving a
minimum sentence in jail.
DeDelley said her son didn't die in vain. His death highlights concerns
about the justice system, she said.
"Now people are aware that there is a problem," she said.
Change you can count on!!!
Archangel
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