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Is the North Starting the Second Korean War?

Monday, March 2, 2009 11:51 AM

By: Doug Bandow Article Font Size

What to do about North Korea was a major topic during Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton's recent trip to South Korea and China. The North
remains predictably unpredictable. If the Korean peninsula has gone a
few weeks without a crisis, expect Pyongyang to create one. So it has
been with the advent of the Obama administration.

Angry over the Bush administration's failure to offer sufficient
inducements, the North announced that it was halting plans to dismantle
its nuclear program. Irritated with Seoul's new hard-line towards North
Korea, Pyongyang declared all agreements with the Republic of Korea to
be inoperative. Now the North apparently is preparing to stage a missile
test. Secretary Clinton called the latter "unhelpful," as if Dear Leader
Kim Jong Il was a valued negotiating partner.

The government in Seoul responded with a yawn and Secretary Clinton
indicated her desire for continued negotiations. But the latest
emanations from Pyongyang have caused some policymakers to advocate
confrontation. Philip Zelikow, late of the Bush State Department,
suggests war.

This isn't the first time that U.S. officials have proposed sending in
the bombers. The Clinton administration apparently came close to
ordering military strikes before former President Jimmy Carter's
dramatic flight to Pyongyang. And Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, has spent
years pondering the possibility of preventive war against the so-called
Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

It was never a good idea, but the pressure for military action may grow.
Selig Harrison of the Center for International Policy recently traveled
to the DPRK, where he was told that existing supplies of plutonium had
been "weaponized." He argues that the U.S. "can tolerate a nuclear-armed
North Korea that may or may not actually have the weapons arsenal it
claims," but others would put the military option back on the table.

Zelikow goes even further. He says: "whatever the merits of Harrison's
suggestion when it comes to North Korea's nuclear weapons, the United
States should not accept Pyongyang's development of long-range missiles
systems, which can be paired with an admitted nuclear weapons arsenal,
as still another fait accompli." In his view, Washington should warn the
North to stand down; if the DPRK failed to comply, the U.S. should take
out the missile on its launch pad.

Why? Zelikow contends that "the North Korean perfection of a long-range
missile capability against the United States, Japan, or the Republic of
Korea would pose an imminent threat to the vital interests of our
country." To rely on deterrence, he adds, would be a "gamble."

Obviously no one wants the North to possess nuclear weapons or missiles
of any kind. However, North Korean threats against the ROK and Japan are
not threats against America's vital interests. Japan is the world's
second ranking economic power and the South has roughly 40 times the GDP
and twice the population of the North. Sooner rather than later they
should be expected to defend themselves. Washington is busy enough
dealing with its own geopolitical problems in the midst of an economic
crisis.

Moreover, nothing in the North Korean regime's behavior suggests that
Dear Leader Kim Jong Il is any less amenable to deterrence than were
Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. Kim may be many things, but there is no
indication that he is suicidal. Rather, he likes his virgins in the here
and now.

Of course, it would be better not to have to rely on deterrence. But a
preventive strike would be no cakewalk.

If there is insanity at work on the Korean peninsula, it is the
assumption that Kim would do nothing if his nation was attacked by the
U.S. He might choose inaction, but more likely would see such a strike
as the prelude to regime change. In that case the results of the Iraq
war would impel him to act first rather than await invasion. America and
South Korea would win any war, but the costs would be horrendous.

Moreover, the DPRK could easily initiate a more limited tit-for-tat
retaliation. The South's capital of Seoul lies within easy range of Scud
missiles and massed artillery. Even the "optimists" who believe that
Seoul could be protected by massive military strikes along the
Demilitarized Zone talk about holding casualties to under 100,000.
Imagine Pyongyang announcing a limited bombardment in response to the
U.S. action, combined with the promise of a ceasefire if the ROK blocked
any further American response. Washington's Asian policy would be
wrecked along with Seoul.

Despite the vagaries of dealing with the North, it is not the first
bizarrely brutal and secretive regime with which the U.S. has dealt.
Forty-some years ago there was China. The unstable Mao regime, atop a
country convulsed by the bloody Cultural Revolution, was developing
nuclear weapons. National Review editor William F. Buckley and New York
Sen. James Buckley both pressed for a preventive attack on Beijing's
nascent nuclear program. The Johnson administration considered proposals
for such an assault.

The arguments were similar as those made today regarding North Korea: An
unpredictable regime, the uncertainty of deterrence, and the relative
ease of attack. It's impossible to know what the world would have looked
like had Washington struck, but China likely would have moved closer to
the Soviet Union and become more resolutely hostile to the U.S.
Restraint almost certainly was the better part of valor. So, too, with
North Korea today.

Of course, Washington still should work with the DPRK's neighbors in an
attempt to persuade Pyongyang to abandon both its missile and nuclear
ambitions. Even more important, though, would be to turn the problem of
North Korea over to the surrounding states. To the extent that the North
threatens anyone, it is South Korea and Japan. China and Russia are
unlikely direct targets, but still have good reason to prefer a stable
and peaceful Korean peninsula.

Thus, the U.S. should withdraw its 29,000 troops from the ROK, where
they are vulnerable to military action by Pyongyang. Then North Korea
would be primarily a problem for the ROK, China, Japan, and Russia. And
the U.S. need not worry about the latest North Korean gambit.

Doug Bandow is a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute and the author and
editor of several books. He is a former Special Assistant to President
Ronald Reagan. This article first appeared on Reason.com

Archangel.

Change you can believe in.
Scotius
2009-03-10 07:22:45 UTC
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Is the North Starting the Second Korean War?
Monday, March 2, 2009 11:51 AM
By: Doug Bandow Article Font Size
What to do about North Korea was a major topic during Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton's recent trip to South Korea and China. The North
remains predictably unpredictable. If the Korean peninsula has gone a
few weeks without a crisis, expect Pyongyang to create one. So it has
been with the advent of the Obama administration.
Angry over the Bush administration's failure to offer sufficient
inducements, the North announced that it was halting plans to dismantle
its nuclear program. Irritated with Seoul's new hard-line towards North
Korea, Pyongyang declared all agreements with the Republic of Korea to
be inoperative. Now the North apparently is preparing to stage a missile
test. Secretary Clinton called the latter "unhelpful," as if Dear Leader
Kim Jong Il was a valued negotiating partner.
The government in Seoul responded with a yawn and Secretary Clinton
indicated her desire for continued negotiations. But the latest
emanations from Pyongyang have caused some policymakers to advocate
confrontation. Philip Zelikow, late of the Bush State Department,
suggests war.
This isn't the first time that U.S. officials have proposed sending in
the bombers. The Clinton administration apparently came close to
ordering military strikes before former President Jimmy Carter's
dramatic flight to Pyongyang. And Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, has spent
years pondering the possibility of preventive war against the so-called
Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
It was never a good idea, but the pressure for military action may grow.
Selig Harrison of the Center for International Policy recently traveled
to the DPRK, where he was told that existing supplies of plutonium had
been "weaponized." He argues that the U.S. "can tolerate a nuclear-armed
North Korea that may or may not actually have the weapons arsenal it
claims," but others would put the military option back on the table.
Zelikow goes even further. He says: "whatever the merits of Harrison's
suggestion when it comes to North Korea's nuclear weapons, the United
States should not accept Pyongyang's development of long-range missiles
systems, which can be paired with an admitted nuclear weapons arsenal,
as still another fait accompli." In his view, Washington should warn the
North to stand down; if the DPRK failed to comply, the U.S. should take
out the missile on its launch pad.
Why? Zelikow contends that "the North Korean perfection of a long-range
missile capability against the United States, Japan, or the Republic of
Korea would pose an imminent threat to the vital interests of our
country." To rely on deterrence, he adds, would be a "gamble."
Obviously no one wants the North to possess nuclear weapons or missiles
of any kind. However, North Korean threats against the ROK and Japan are
not threats against America's vital interests. Japan is the world's
second ranking economic power and the South has roughly 40 times the GDP
and twice the population of the North. Sooner rather than later they
should be expected to defend themselves. Washington is busy enough
dealing with its own geopolitical problems in the midst of an economic
crisis.
Moreover, nothing in the North Korean regime's behavior suggests that
Dear Leader Kim Jong Il is any less amenable to deterrence than were
Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. Kim may be many things, but there is no
indication that he is suicidal. Rather, he likes his virgins in the here
and now.
Of course, it would be better not to have to rely on deterrence. But a
preventive strike would be no cakewalk.
If there is insanity at work on the Korean peninsula, it is the
assumption that Kim would do nothing if his nation was attacked by the
U.S. He might choose inaction, but more likely would see such a strike
as the prelude to regime change. In that case the results of the Iraq
war would impel him to act first rather than await invasion. America and
South Korea would win any war, but the costs would be horrendous.
Moreover, the DPRK could easily initiate a more limited tit-for-tat
retaliation. The South's capital of Seoul lies within easy range of Scud
missiles and massed artillery. Even the "optimists" who believe that
Seoul could be protected by massive military strikes along the
Demilitarized Zone talk about holding casualties to under 100,000.
Imagine Pyongyang announcing a limited bombardment in response to the
U.S. action, combined with the promise of a ceasefire if the ROK blocked
any further American response. Washington's Asian policy would be
wrecked along with Seoul.
Despite the vagaries of dealing with the North, it is not the first
bizarrely brutal and secretive regime with which the U.S. has dealt.
Forty-some years ago there was China. The unstable Mao regime, atop a
country convulsed by the bloody Cultural Revolution, was developing
nuclear weapons. National Review editor William F. Buckley and New York
Sen. James Buckley both pressed for a preventive attack on Beijing's
nascent nuclear program. The Johnson administration considered proposals
for such an assault.
The arguments were similar as those made today regarding North Korea: An
unpredictable regime, the uncertainty of deterrence, and the relative
ease of attack. It's impossible to know what the world would have looked
like had Washington struck, but China likely would have moved closer to
the Soviet Union and become more resolutely hostile to the U.S.
Restraint almost certainly was the better part of valor. So, too, with
North Korea today.
Of course, Washington still should work with the DPRK's neighbors in an
attempt to persuade Pyongyang to abandon both its missile and nuclear
ambitions. Even more important, though, would be to turn the problem of
North Korea over to the surrounding states. To the extent that the North
threatens anyone, it is South Korea and Japan. China and Russia are
unlikely direct targets, but still have good reason to prefer a stable
and peaceful Korean peninsula.
Thus, the U.S. should withdraw its 29,000 troops from the ROK, where
they are vulnerable to military action by Pyongyang. Then North Korea
would be primarily a problem for the ROK, China, Japan, and Russia. And
the U.S. need not worry about the latest North Korean gambit.
Doug Bandow is a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute and the author and
editor of several books. He is a former Special Assistant to President
Ronald Reagan. This article first appeared on Reason.com
Archangel.
Change you can believe in.
Isn't it obvious after previous failed North Korean test
launches of their "Taepo Dong" series missiles that the US has the
capability of messing with North Korean equipment from a distance?
Please.
And why is the US defending South Korea anyway? North Korea is
in the sphere of influence of China and Russia, it's previous backers,
and BOTH (first Russia and then China) have stated they wouldn't
automatically defend the North if the North was the first to attack in
a war with the South.
China would have no credibility with it's friends in the
region if it failed to rein in the North's ambition to conquer the
South. What kind of lunacy is it that the US still pays the defense
bill for South Korea?
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
2009-03-10 10:53:22 UTC
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Post by Archangel
Is the North Starting the Second Korean War?
Monday, March 2, 2009 11:51 AM
By: Doug Bandow         Article Font Size
What to do about North Korea was a major topic during Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton's recent trip to South Korea and China. The North
remains predictably unpredictable. If the Korean peninsula has gone a
few weeks without a crisis, expect Pyongyang to create one. So it has
been with the advent of the Obama administration.
Angry over the Bush administration's failure to offer sufficient
inducements, the North announced that it was halting plans to dismantle
its nuclear program. Irritated with Seoul's new hard-line towards North
Korea, Pyongyang declared all agreements with the Republic of Korea to
be inoperative. Now the North apparently is preparing to stage a missile
test. Secretary Clinton called the latter "unhelpful," as if Dear Leader
Kim Jong Il was a valued negotiating partner.
The government in Seoul responded with a yawn and Secretary Clinton
indicated her desire for continued negotiations. But the latest
emanations from Pyongyang have caused some policymakers to advocate
confrontation. Philip Zelikow, late of the Bush State Department,
suggests war.
This isn't the first time that U.S. officials have proposed sending in
the bombers. The Clinton administration apparently came close to
ordering military strikes before former President Jimmy Carter's
dramatic flight to Pyongyang. And Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, has spent
years pondering the possibility of preventive war against the so-called
Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
It was never a good idea, but the pressure for military action may grow.
Selig Harrison of the Center for International Policy recently traveled
to the DPRK, where he was told that existing supplies of plutonium had
been "weaponized." He argues that the U.S. "can tolerate a nuclear-armed
North Korea that may or may not actually have the weapons arsenal it
claims," but others would put the military option back on the table.
Zelikow goes even further. He says: "whatever the merits of Harrison's
suggestion when it comes to North Korea's nuclear weapons, the United
States should not accept Pyongyang's development of long-range missiles
systems, which can be paired with an admitted nuclear weapons arsenal,
as still another fait accompli." In his view, Washington should warn the
North to stand down; if the DPRK failed to comply, the U.S. should take
out the missile on its launch pad.
Why? Zelikow contends that "the North Korean perfection of a long-range
missile capability against the United States, Japan, or the Republic of
Korea would pose an imminent threat to the vital interests of our
country." To rely on deterrence, he adds, would be a "gamble."
Obviously no one wants the North to possess nuclear weapons or missiles
of any kind. However, North Korean threats against the ROK and Japan are
not threats against America's vital interests. Japan is the world's
second ranking economic power and the South has roughly 40 times the GDP
and twice the population of the North. Sooner rather than later they
should be expected to defend themselves. Washington is busy enough
dealing with its own geopolitical problems in the midst of an economic
crisis.
Moreover, nothing in the North Korean regime's behavior suggests that
Dear Leader Kim Jong Il is any less amenable to deterrence than were
Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. Kim may be many things, but there is no
indication that he is suicidal. Rather, he likes his virgins in the here
and now.
Of course, it would be better not to have to rely on deterrence. But a
preventive strike would be no cakewalk.
If there is insanity at work on the Korean peninsula, it is the
assumption that Kim would do nothing if his nation was attacked by the
U.S. He might choose inaction, but more likely would see such a strike
as the prelude to regime change. In that case the results of the Iraq
war would impel him to act first rather than await invasion. America and
South Korea would win any war, but the costs would be horrendous.
Moreover, the DPRK could easily initiate a more limited tit-for-tat
retaliation. The South's capital of Seoul lies within easy range of Scud
missiles and massed artillery. Even the "optimists" who believe that
Seoul could be protected by massive military strikes along the
Demilitarized Zone talk about holding casualties to under 100,000.
Imagine Pyongyang announcing a limited bombardment in response to the
U.S. action, combined with the promise of a ceasefire if the ROK blocked
any further American response. Washington's Asian policy would be
wrecked along with Seoul.
Despite the vagaries of dealing with the North, it is not the first
bizarrely brutal and secretive regime with which the U.S. has dealt.
Forty-some years ago there was China. The unstable Mao regime, atop a
country convulsed by the bloody Cultural Revolution, was developing
nuclear weapons. National Review editor William F. Buckley and New York
Sen. James Buckley both pressed for a preventive attack on Beijing's
nascent nuclear program. The Johnson administration considered proposals
for such an assault.
The arguments were similar as those made today regarding North Korea: An
unpredictable regime, the uncertainty of deterrence, and the relative
ease of attack. It's impossible to know what the world would have looked
like had Washington struck, but China likely would have moved closer to
the Soviet Union and become more resolutely hostile to the U.S.
Restraint almost certainly was the better part of valor. So, too, with
North Korea today.
Of course, Washington still should work with the DPRK's neighbors in an
attempt to persuade Pyongyang to abandon both its missile and nuclear
ambitions. Even more important, though, would be to turn the problem of
North Korea over to the surrounding states. To the extent that the North
threatens anyone, it is South Korea and Japan. China and Russia are
unlikely direct targets, but still have good reason to prefer a stable
and peaceful Korean peninsula.
Thus, the U.S. should withdraw its 29,000 troops from the ROK, where
they are vulnerable to military action by Pyongyang. Then North Korea
would be primarily a problem for the ROK, China, Japan, and Russia. And
the U.S. need not worry about the latest North Korean gambit.
Doug Bandow is a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute and the author and
editor of several books. He is a former Special Assistant to President
Ronald Reagan. This article first appeared on Reason.com
Archangel.
Change you can believe in.
Let's be thankful that Zekilow is a FORMER State Dept official.

The NKoreans go through these gyrations regularly -- whenever the NK
guvmint needs to distract the people's attention from their
starvation, they announce that war is imminent and mobilize some
portion of their military reserves.

They've tested their PoonTang missile before -- it's unsophisticated
and unreliable.

The only people paying attention to the NK rants are (1) the nutcase
who runs the place, (2) the NK military who depend on him for their
livelihood, and, (3) a few braindead Americans who don't know any
better.

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